The Bible and Christmas Trees

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Stumbled across an interesting passage from The Bible regarding Christmas trees, from Jeremiah 10:2-5.

10:2 Thus says the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.

10:3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cuts a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.

10:4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.

10:5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.”

Wonder why that’s in there if Christmas trees are such a part of the Christian tradition? Not that I care. It’s no big deal to me. But the yearly give and take about Christian traditions being based upon Pagan holy days and customs is raging already. It all makes me wonder, if ancient Pagan holy days have nothing whatsoever to do with our modern observations, what exactly does a Christmas tree have to do with the birth of Jesus Christ? Kind of like wondering what the Easter Bunny has to do with the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Why can no one explain this to me? And why do people get so uptight when you ask these questions?

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Claire Mulkieran is a teacher of Pagan-related spirituality and the unofficial patron saint of meandering misfits (or a delusional lunatic, depending upon whom you ask). If you're ready to read between the lines, consider her guiding motto; "Are you a figment of my imagination, or am I a figment or yours?" Claire is also rumored to be a glorified computer programmer by trade, but you can call her a “Systems Security Designer” (which is fancy way saying she's paid to break things).

81 Responses to The Bible and Christmas Trees

  1. Nay December 10, 2015 at 5:33 pm #

    Actually the “Christmas Tree” is pagan. Christmas is pagan, saturnalia or yule. “Christians” are not educated. We should be, but we are not. No pagan traditions should be adhered to. God will not accept any of our pagan ways. For those of us who do not want to hear that we are wrong, we need to hear it and let it resonate. So please continue to illuminate the paganism of our traditions. Thank you!

  2. Michael December 5, 2015 at 10:22 am #

    Hi Claire.

    I am a little late to the conversation so excuse my late comming, I am not achristian, I do not follow there rituals or there customs and have studied these things to educate myself as to not fall into the trap. Unfortunatly you are right that some people that call themselves christians start to foam at the mouth when you speak up against there church system and traditions.
    Where the wind blows they follow and so on and so on.
    May Yahovha show you truth about tradition and inhereted lies, You would make a great follower of the Jewish Missiah

  3. EG February 1, 2015 at 9:29 pm #

    The Christmas tree tradition comes from the Germans. Prince Albert, Queen Victoria’s husband, brought the Christmas tree tradition to England and the practice took off.

    Christians are blind to all the pagan influences in Christianity. In order for Constantine to satisfy the Pagans and Christians, and to keep peace, anything Christian was to be celebrated at same time as Pagan traditions. Constantine wanted everyone on the same page and he had to have order. Also, Pagan beliefs started creeping into Christian beliefs. In order to help Pagans understand Christianity and to get Pagans to become Christians, the Christians used terms the Pagans understood and these terms were used so much and for so long that slowly Pagan terms and beliefs got mixed in with Christian beliefs.
    Historic facts that Christians conveniently ignore. Very prominent people through the last few hundred years have commented about the Paganism of Christianity.

  4. John November 14, 2014 at 8:28 pm #

    Ok, let us agree then Jeremiah doesn’t speak of the xmas tree. But it does speak of idol worship.

    People worship the tree.

    Oh Christmas tree, oh Christmas tree… is a song worshipping it.

    Just like the old rugged cross song, worships the cross, but not the Savour on it.

    I dont worship xmas now for 30 years and dont miss it.
    My family does, but that is their choice. I dont condem but pray their eyes open too.

    • Evelyn Johnson December 20, 2014 at 8:13 am #

      I agree with u on this one, the facts are that we have been lied to these things was put in place before we was born so i feel that God is not holding us to that fact, if we didnt know we was lied to he will not hold us accountable but beware if ur mind has been opened then u must walk the walk to the end.

    • B. B. August 24, 2015 at 5:32 pm #

      thank you for agreeing that it is wrong for a christ follower to do, and yes we pray

    • gman December 16, 2015 at 11:16 am #

      Christmas can be celebrated without Christmas worship as you put it.

  5. Marlena June 26, 2014 at 2:43 am #

    You are 100% correct in your analogy. Christians should be talking about this! We have SO many holidays and celebrations that are ALL pagan. Though it’s taught in the Bible Colleges and in the churches that it’s all centered around Jesus because they tell it is. If we look at the first century church, that’s where we should be as believers and what we should be doing. They didn’t do ANYTHING that we do today, except maybe pray to God. Man has changed the Christian church, Constantine to be exact. The first century church observed the Sabbath until Constantine made it against the law to observe the Sabbath and he made it law that Christians have to worship on Sunday, worship of the Sun day. A pagan day. Now we go to church on Sundays. Well we have stopped, we observe the Sabbath because God tells us to and we have to go against the world to honor God sometimes. A lot of the time. We just pass it down to our children and to our children’s children and on down. No one questions why we do what we do. Not enough people at least. This is something my husband and I have a lot of experience with. We have spent a lot of time in prayer over and we pray for discernment to know the truth. Christ was crucified during Easter. Easter was and is a pagan holiday. Christ died during Passover and rose again on Saturday. There are many scriptures that tell exactly when He died and rose again. And it specifically says He died and rose again in 3 days. The Christians believe He died on Friday and rose again on Sunday. Again, worship of the sun day. However this is only 2 days and nights, not 3. I have heard some crazy crazy explanations of this from pastors. Almost like they are trying sooo hard to make us believe this stuff because it was taught to them in school maybe? We should be celebrating Passover, NOT Easter. Easter is worship of fertility Gods, Isis, and the pagans were celebrating this LONG before Jesus died on the cross. Jesus was born on Sept 25th and Nimrod’s birthday was on Dec 25th. Nimrod was the first anti christ in Babylon. The winter celebrate the pagans celebrated was the winter soltice. A major pagan celebration. We have to go back to the beginning when satan said, “I will be like the most High”. He imitates EVERYTHING Jesus does and did. He doesn’t care that people think they are worshipping Jesus but really are worshipping satan. Jesus’s birthday is in September and everyone who has read the Bible knows this!! Yet we celebrate Christmas in December during a pagan festival. The exact dates of the pagan festival. The Christmas tree is in the Bible and God tells us to NOT do this and celebrate the way the heathens do, for a reason. There are celebrations in the Bible that God tells us to celebrate but the pagan holidays aren’t to be celebrated. The Christmas Tree is a fallacy and represents Nimrod’s penis, the wreath we all hang on our doors represents the woman’s vagina, and so on and so on. To the pagans, us Christians, look like idiots as we do all the pagan traditions and tell everyone we are celebrating Christ. This year it will end for our family and we are going to make it known the truth. We have been being taught a lie for so long and we want our children to know the truth. Notice that EVERYTHING they tell us is for Christ is actually for satan disguised as Christ. We need to READ our Bibles and go back to the way the first century church did things. Then we will be Christians not celebrating pagan holidays and rituals. Not to mention worshipping on Sunday when God makes this convenient with man the first week of creation!!! The Sabbath is a special convenient with man and everyone will know we are God’s people by doing this, as well it’s a day of rest. We ALL need a day of rest instead of working 7 days a week and God knew and knows this. It’s a day to help others, worship, take a break from our work. It’s a day to think of Jesus and others and not ourselves. Yet many say you can pick any day for your Sabbath or you don’t have to observe this one commandment just have to obey the rest???? There is SOOO much of this in the Christian church. God is very clear on things and we need to take it more seriously however we will always fall short which is why Jesus died. We are covered in grace, thankfully! But this is NOT an excuse to not try or to make excuses as to why we shouldn’t try. It makes sense really, satan is in the middle of the Christian church, it’s the perfect way to lead people whom think they are worshipping Christ, right to him and we don’t even know. The disciples asked Jesus how we would know when Jesus was going to return, what could we look for. And the FIRST thing out of Jesus’s mouth was, that MANY would come in HIS name and deceive us. The fact he said this first, tells us that it’s going to be a pretty big thing. When the Holy Spirit showed me this, I realized that the preachers on TV were wolves in sheeps clothing, (That’s for another time) and many churches also. It is VERY VERY difficult to find a church that is doing as the first century church did.. teaching on Sat and gathering to worship and help one another, not selling coffee or making money in God’s Holy house, which Jesus flipped over tables and ran the people out of His Father’s house for turning it into a place of making money.. which is SO many churches are doing today with their coffee shops.. We need to WAKE up and get back to the first century church where Jesus and Paul set things up.. satan through man has destroyed the Christian church as we know it today.

    • Annalisa November 6, 2014 at 9:07 pm #

      Marlena can you please contact me? My email is
      I am a new Christian (our whole family is – my husband and our teenage daughter as well) and I am learning more and more about how we have been living in the world. Including celebrations. When I would look at my Christmas tree last year it made me sick at my stomach. So I began to research and that how I found your comment. Please contact me I would like to learn more about your ideas and research.

      • Melissa December 8, 2014 at 7:53 pm #

        Hi Annalisa. I am a Christian. We do not celebrate pagan holidays. We honor only what God asks us to in scripture.

        Thank you, Marlena. You are dead on! I bring these things up with my [many] Christian friends and you’d swear I just lit their homes on fire… Truth is harder to see when traditions get in the way…

      • hisbride December 10, 2014 at 10:34 pm #

        Marlena is right! Praise Yahuwah! The name of the father and Yahushuwa (the name of the messiah. Jesus is Iesus another greek god. There was no J’s in the Hebraic language.
        Jeremiah=Yermiyahu Son of my righteousness
        Isaiah=Yishiyahu Son of my right hand
        See the same name in all of them ?…Yahu
        The root word for the name of the father and son
        The name Jesus is a pagan name even. It is what our forefathers was taught and on down…handed down by ROME ,one of the biggest perpetrators of deceit on all mankind. It all began with all the pagan deities and all the ones around Israel. When Rome took Israel captive, they forbade them to celebrate the HOLY days commanded by the father. When Constantine thought there was going to be an uprising, he gave permission for the celebrations but only on the days he said. Then, the way he said, now comes the incorporations of not only the pagan feastivals and times but even how they did it. Now spring forward a couple of thousand years..The people wanted freedom from high taxes, tyranny and state commanded Roman pagan worship (the church of England was catholosism). But, they also brought the pagan practices with them. The puritans came and commanded that the pagan practices were forbiddin and did not do so but, as is with most things, as the children, more settlers, etc. all begin to intermingle with others, you have it creep back in little by little (satan is sly that way) and here we are again.
        You can not go to your pastor and question him because he will be in denial or try to defend what he has been preaching or allowing BUT, the WORD OF GOD{(which god also came from the word gawd (pagan idol-its what you get when the normal roman translates the word) The word gawd, lord etc. Stands for satan ( baal) or an idol. Ba’al is satan. The word has been misinterpreted and/ or conceived to through people of because it was translated by the pagan Greeksinto Rome, into England.} The word commands us to read the WHOLE word (the testament was never done away with and so it and the RENEWED testament both stand today) and to also rightly judge between the words.
        A vines expository dictionary of biblical words and a smiths biblical dictionary are two of the best I have found to explain the English word as it is written right now, it’s original writing and what it means…hope this helps, read, read, read some more and ask the Father to reveal it to you for THEORD says you have no need for a system to teach you because it is all written in his word. There is a difference in learning and being told what you should think. We are taught they we supplanted the Jews but in the word he said he was sent not except to the lost tribes of Israel. …(and those who are grafted into them by the blood and faith). We are taught that the “old testament” was done away with but the messiah said he did not come to do away with but to fulfill and that not one jot or one tittle would pass until all of heaven and earth shall. Many are taught to worship Mary or the angles. The Father says all worship goes to him and that some day we are to judge the angels. Read the whole word for yourself. The ONLY things that have been done away with, is the sacrifice for sin because HE became it. 🙂

        • Kykid December 19, 2014 at 12:37 am #

          It doesn’t matter if there are any J’s in the Hebrew or not, the New Testament was translated from Greek. Translated from Greek to English His name is Jesus.

      • Brenda December 19, 2014 at 9:55 pm #

        The Truth is with Jehovah’s Witnesses!!! There is no doubt.

        • Dan April 20, 2015 at 3:22 pm #

          Incorrect…no true church of God will be in apostasy and the JW are an apostate organization. If you teach that the 10 commandments are null and void, then you cannot be followers of the Most High God, but followers of the traditions of the vatican!

    • Bambi November 12, 2014 at 10:22 am #

      I have had the exact same revelation ! We ( my husband and myself) are now outsted by most of our family and Christian friends. We have attended southern baptist churches for all of our lives , now we do not attend at all but are trying to study at home, and to keep the sabbath holy( Saturday ). We are hard pressed to find fellow Christians who have had the same awakening .

      • Jason November 20, 2014 at 8:48 pm #

        Our family has come across same thing

      • Melissa December 8, 2014 at 7:54 pm #

        Bambi, It’s very hard!! Been at it for a while and it hurts. I’m sorry you are going through this.

      • Ace December 27, 2014 at 6:30 pm #

        How do I explain Christmas to someone that has been engulfed in it their entire lives? How can I help people see the truth?

    • Ann November 28, 2014 at 9:09 pm #

      I agree with you totally in everything you say. God bless you.

    • Veronica December 2, 2014 at 10:04 pm #

      I love everything you have started here, this is exactly how I feel!! God bless you and may we pray for all of those out their that are blinded and haven’t yet seen the truth. Amen, praise Jesus

    • Kimberly December 14, 2014 at 1:17 pm #

      Marlena I enjoyed reading your message, I feel God is leading you in the right direction. I see you mentioned finding a church that follows the Early Christian Church? I think you should try the Seventh-day-Adventist Church ( they speak the truth from the Bible). Also check out he is a pastor that talks about end time prophecy and how we need to live before Christ returns.
      I do believe Jesus was crucified early morning on Friday and his body was taken down off the across at sundown by the rich young ruler from Arimathea by the name of Joseph. (Matthew Chapter 27 verse 57-60) Joseph then placed Jesus body in the tomb Friday evening which is the start of the Sabbath and all day Sabbath (Saturday) Jesus Himself rested and the First day of the week which is Sunday He rose. The Bible says in Matthew 27:62-66 on the next day which followed the preparation day (Friday) The chief priest and Pharisees came to pilot and reminded him of Jesus telling them that he will be rising on the third day (Sunday) which is the first day of the week. May God continue to speak to you through his word. We must be ready for His soon return God bless you and your family.

      • Heidi December 20, 2014 at 7:31 pm #

        Disturbing Questions for Seventh-Day Adventists

        Furthermore … and this is PROOF that Seventh-Day Adventism is a big scam … why was there NO Seventh-Day Adventist religion before 1844? Why was there NO teaching of the “investigative judgment” before 1844? Why isn’t this doctrine found in the Word of God? Why do SDAs only recognize Ellen G. White as a prophetess? Do you mean to tell me that no other prophets have appeared in nearly 2,000 years? According to the Bible, in Hebrews 1:1 and 2, “God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son…” According to God’s Word, there are NO prophets today, nor have there been since John completed the Book of revelation in A.D. 96; thus, completing the Bible. The Word of God is our Final and Only Authority! Jesus NEVER told us to look for another messenger or prophet. If what SDAs teach is true concerning Ellen G. White, then surely the Word of God would have foretold of the coming of such a great prophetess, who would reveal new doctrines. To the contrary, the Bible says nothing of the such. I find it utterly disturbing that the entire SDA religion was formed out of a major embarrassment, when a foolish Baptist preacher twisted the Bible around, set a date for Christ to return, and then Christ DIDN’T return. Not even a lightning bolt. And another thing, why did all those Baptists descent, suddenly starting a whole different religion? The entire matter is disturbing to say the least.

        Logic with me here. If what SDAs teach is true, then what about all those Christian people who died between the cross of Christ, and the beginning of the investigative judgment of 1844? If Christ needed to complete His work of redemption, then why would He wait until 1844? And here’s something to really consider, the year 1844 wasn’t set by Ellen G. White–it was set by a Baptist preacher, Miller!!! If Ellen G. White was such an inspired prophetess, why didn’t God give her the revelation of the year 1844? Why would God give it to a Baptist preacher? The Seventh-Day Adventist religion was formed by a group of SINFULLY PROUD people, who couldn’t accept the FACT that they had been hoodwinked by a misguided Baptist preacher. Thankfully, most Baptist preachers would never be so foolish as to set a date for Christ’s return. The Bible plainly teaches in Mark 13:33, “Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.” The foolish people in 1844, who followed a man, instead of God’s Word, were greatly embarrassed when Miller’s prophecy failed to come true. Think about it … these people had sold their homes, quit there jobs, and given away all earthly possessions! Can you imagine how idiotic and desperate they felt? The embarrassment was so overwhelming that they couldn’t live with themselves, so they fabricated a new religion which would heal the wounds. Unfortunately, it was to their own destruction, “…in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction” (2nd Peter 3:16).

        Seventh-Day Adventism is a False Religion!

        Here again is Dr. John R. Rice from his excellent book, FALSE DOCTRINES (pg. 181)…

        “Try Seventh-Day Adventist teaching by the Bible. Do they teach salvation by works, or by grace alone? By works, of course, by Sabbath-keeping, by tithing, by law and commandments. But this is not the plan of John 3:16 or of Ephesians 2:8. It is the heresy Paul condemned so strongly in the Galatians, when he said they had fallen from grace in doctrine, and now taught salvation by the law. He said in Galatians 4:9,10:

        “But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.”

        That is the sin of Seventh-Day Adventism.

        The following information from by David W. Cloud is very well explained…

        • gman December 16, 2015 at 12:44 pm #

          Anything that teaches you must have Jesus plus……. or Jesus minus……. is a false teaching.

      • Betty c February 24, 2015 at 8:35 pm #

        The prepartation day was near a high sabath and it was in the middle of the week and that has caused confusion.

      • Vic November 30, 2015 at 7:02 pm #

        Hello Kimberly,
        Im still confused about what you just mentioned in your comment box because Jesus himself said like Jonah he will be out 3 days and three nights. That doesnt add up from Friday to Sunday morning when he was no longer in the tomb according to Mary Mag. when she saw the tomb empty. Not going into controversies just a thought.

    • Sharon dycus December 18, 2014 at 8:06 pm #

      Where can I find a church like that where I live powder springs ga.

    • eunice frazier January 26, 2015 at 1:45 am #

      Marlena – every word you have said is true and I totally agree with you. It needs to be said every moment of every day. It is only the truth that will make us free. The Father began showing me these things four years ago and I continue to seek for more of the truth and scripture and to live it. Its been quite a journey but I am very grateful to learn and have been humbled by it all. It hurts to see so many people being deceived including family and those I thought were friends or brothers and sisters in Messiah. They have rejected these truths and think that I am weird, legalistic and of no earthly good or holier than thou. I thought they would want to know that we have been fed lies but to them I am the liar. Keep preaching and speaking it and I will too.

    • Carolyn February 14, 2015 at 12:07 am #

      You said it so well. I have found everyone who tries to reason all this away just seems to talk in circles. All you have to do is go back to the beginning of the church and then see how it all was changed. Changed to decieve all the people and get them side tracked to think and believe unholy ways. It is all the plan of satan himself.
      I too cannot watch TV evangelist.One thing I do is if what we hear does not line up with the word of God IT IS A LIE!!!
      Do not take away from or add to the Holy Scriptures!

    • Em February 17, 2015 at 10:33 am #

      Hi! I am so glad i found this! I too have come to the same conclusion. I’m so glad God has shown us the truth! Im not sure this response is going to you directly or to the owner of the sight. I ran into this site a little confused thinking this was a Pagans site on questioning Christianity or i don’t know, then i find some Christian sounding people. If this is a Christian whom i am responding to id love to exchange thoughts! God Bless! Em

    • Emma February 25, 2015 at 7:22 am #

      Dear Marlena, I love your message!!!!, its so good to hear truthful Christian ways. I am quite new into Christianity, and haven’t yet been baptised, but I have been looking into all the new age and pagan beliefs that have evolved around Christianity. I don’t want to do anything that will offend God. Myself and 2 sons didn’t celebrate Christmas this year(14), because of our new beliefs, and cannot believe how awful it all is. As I am still learning, could you just let me know, when Passover is exactly, and how do celebrate it? I have been looking into all the lies about Easter also. Also when is the true Sabbath day? I am trying so ahrd to do things correctly, and don’t want to allow satan into our worship and belief system. I really want myself and sons to be baptised but need to be sure about a church first-any ideas greatly welcomed. I have also been looking into the evil world of satanic and demonic world of the media and politics etc regarding the illuminati, and its shocking how evil and disgusting it all is-especially films etc for children!!!! Disney himself was disgusting, just look up illuminati and Disney, also Roald dahl- he and other contacts didn’t like children- and the name in willy wonker “snozzberries” actually relates to penises, and wants the children to lick penis flavoured wallpaper??!!! I have to say practically all of our film, and c.d collection has been destroyed and binned ,so that nobody else can be brainwashed by these evil people. Alongside those things, all of our Christmas stuff got binned also, don’t want to pass on any pagan things. Realising how satanic this so called “free world” is nowadays-its a hard journey to take, but will be so worth it. I look forward to a reply from you, kind regards, and God bless. Emma.

    • Bruce Johnson April 11, 2015 at 5:56 pm #

      there is no single explanation for any of the Christmas traditions. Christianity was not always the all powerful force it seems today. It grew up in a world full of traditions and Christians were those same people. The Roman’s decorated trees. hebrews used similar and so did pagans. Christians at times needed to blend in to prevent themselves being the victims of persecution sometimes by the Romans and sometimes by pagans depending on who was most powerful in the region and time we are talking about. Real christmas is more like in October.

      no belief system grows up in a vacuum. It is not really so interesting to look at similarities as the differences which represent the possible input of an outside idea.

      If the bible represents God revealing something about himself progressively over time then we have to examine those ideas that seem to come out of the blue. It is hardly surprising that ideas that were not critical to change would continue.

      If God reveals himself through his intervention in human history then we would see a gradual shift almost as if we were being bumped toward something.

      there is no question that the Old Testament describes a much harsher understanding of God and yet there too are some “bumps” such as commandments designed to cause people to respect “ownership” of others. in the New Testament these 10 commandments are described as a principal; Love God and love your neighbour. Jesus asked who is the neighbour in the parable of the Good Samaritan. He also said love your enemies.

      I can not think of any other ethical laws Christians were ever given.

      One bump was in Galatians when Paul said in the church there is no Male nor Female, No Rich nor Poor and no Slave no Free. Sometimes the church struggles to go where God is bumping us.

      In any case history is complex and always written with bias as is this response no matter how hard I try not to be.

    • Lisa Friday December 4, 2015 at 4:55 pm #

      I have been researching all of this for a while now, you are so spot on. My husband and I have not celebrated christmas in 3 years now and it is so liberating. And we do not have all the stress that comes along with this time of year. Just wish I could get our families to understand and learn what we now know instead of looking at us and treating us like we are aliens from another planet. Our decision has wrecked our family life (parents, siblings, etc). But we know we are doing right by Jesus. Glad to have found this website and a common ground with others.

  6. Ted December 22, 2013 at 11:55 am #

    Early Christian leaders adjusted/merged the traditions to include many Pagan traditions because it united the people.

    The timing of Christmas is all about the winter solstice and nothing at all to do with a birthday. The sun will be at it’s lowest point in the sky on Dec 21…it will appear very nearly at the same point for the 22nd, 23rd, and 24th. On the 25th it will begin to move northward again. Ahhh, the birth of the Sun as it were. Voila, the birth of the savior’s date is Dec 25th.

    The Pagans celebrated spring and Christians adopted the timing of Easter to coincide with the Pagan holiday. A rabbit represents fertility and spring is the season for fertility. It’s noteworthy that the Sun’s most southern point on Dec 21th-24th appears for 3 days. Jesus was dead for 3 days and rose again – so the story goes.

  7. Robert Cox December 7, 2013 at 4:59 am #

    Does anyone here celebrate the fourth of July? It is not a religious holiday, and all glory does belong to God.

    • William Cooper October 4, 2014 at 2:35 pm #


      • Heidi December 20, 2014 at 7:24 pm #

        It WILL WORK, Yeshua knows our heart not you, not any man or women. At the time I was attacked by a demon…I yelled for JESUS and he ripped that demon off. I now KNOW his hebrew name, and have been filled w the holy spirit. Only JESUS/ YESHUA knows who we mean, where we are spiritually. I continue to learn more truth. Gods word , and guidance of the holy spirit. 7th day …..false doctrine added in. They do a lot right but then blashemy the saviour. Same w
        JW, and WMCOG. Read Amos 8; 11,12. I CAN NOT find a church following GODS WORD, each one slants it, twists it, adds, or takes away. Trust in Yeshua w all your heart and mind and the holy spirit will illuminate the truth.

      • Dawn December 4, 2015 at 12:09 am #

        Actually, ancient Hebrew had no written vowels, so the name of the god was written as the tetragrammaton: YHWH. It was considered blasphemous to speak the name of the god, so the actual pronunciation has been lost. It is believed that the “modern” pronunciation of Yahweh came from the word “hawah” meaning “to be” or “to become”.
        The letters of the tetragrammaton, btw, are pronounced “yod” “heh” “vav” and again “heh” so it’s possible that Yahweh is a based on that, shortened and Anglicized over time.

  8. bobby j December 6, 2013 at 4:36 pm #

    The Nativity Scene has been replaced with the Christmas Tree. JESUS has been replaced with SANTA and the Lords Supper has been replaced by gift giving. Christmas is not about rejoicing in the Birth of the Savior; but about gluttony, drunkenness, lying to kids about Santa and putting up a pagan tree. Nuff Said

  9. Jennifer September 13, 2013 at 4:26 pm #

    Signs of heaven would be comet sightings, meteors, movements of Earth’s moon, planetary movement, and perception of various constellations. For many years, people thought that comets were signs of bad things about to happen. For many years many people, and some today, have believed that position of various celestial bodies influence their life events, astrology. People have assigned meaning, be it superstitious, religious, spiritual, happy or foreboding, to what they see in the sky, the heavens. The biblical writer may simply be saying that the celestial bodies don’t really have the effect astrology says they have. We see an eclipse and don’t need to believe some god is angry. It’s simply the shadow of the moon on the earth. We see a comet and don’t need to believe something horrific is going to happen. It’s just a ball of ice and rock. Meteors are a little scary if they’re large enough to explode in the atmosphere with the destructive power of an atomic bomb and shower their shrapnel over a populated area or cause the destruction of various species in most of the world. Otherwise, they’re cool. They’re not things to be worshiped, either. They’re chunks of rock and metal, and other various cool space stuff, sometimes itty bitty bits of water in trapped pockets of ice, which is really cool because scientists can analyze that for evidence of building blocks of life. Astronomy = awesome. Astrology = entertaining but not necessary and can lead people to living afraid of stuff and timid to make decisions on their own. We can look at the sky as containing a giant calendar. We see certain constellations show up and know spring is near, start planting stuff, or autumn is near, it’s about time to prepare for winter and next year’s planting. There’s a lot more, but those are just a couple of examples. We can be free from worrying of doomsday because of what we see in the stars, planets, moons, and their arrangements from our point of view. We don’t have to look to the stars to influence our love lives or success in business. We can, and should, take responsibility for ourselves, our relationships, and our successes, not make excuses for our shortcomings or failures, and dump responsibility on the cosmos.

    As far as idols are concerned. He’s saying they’re chunks of wood. People made them. People went out and cut the trees to carve into whatever shapes they wanted. People decorated them. The carvings don’t have minds, or hearts, or life. They can’t do anything but stand where they’re put. They can’t move around on their own. They have to be carried. Why worship a chunk of dead wood? Why take your hard-earned money and leave it at the base of the chunk of wood? Why take your food and leave it there? The chunk of wood isn’t going to take the money and pay any bills with it, nor is it going to eat any food. Some human is going to collect the money and may eat the food if animals and bugs don’t eat it first. Why be scared of making a chunk of dead wood mad? Seriously. It’s a chunk of dead wood. It has no feelings or anything. Leave it outside long enough, it’ll rot. The chunk of dead wood isn’t going to give you stuff. Why go ask it for success in love, or money, or childbearing, or anything? It’s a chunk of dead wood. It can’t do anything bad to you, nor can it do anything good for you. It’s decorative, but if we think we’re going to treat it like it can do something good for us or bad to us if we worship it or don’t worship it the “right way”, it’d be better just to leave the tree with it’s roots attached in the ground where it can breathe in carbon dioxide and breathe out oxygen, where animals and insects can live in it and among its branches, where it can shade us, and control erosion, and provide food.

    • Timothy J. Duffy April 5, 2014 at 10:54 am #

      This was very insightful. But I cannot take the chance of celebrating pagan holidays in a church. We may be living in a time where all churches are false. This has me question as to go to church or simply avoid all churches and simply pray to christ in private as worship. Would I be right to do that.

      • Wicasta April 6, 2014 at 9:29 am #

        I’ve always believed that the most important thing you can do is reach out directly to God or the gods (however you perceive The Divine). Churches, covens and social groups are good for fellowship and hanging out with people of like-mind, but our individual paths have always been unique to each of us, and we should always do what feels right to us. Religion gives a structure to what is un-knowable, but it’s just a framework. And churches can certainly become inflexible repositories of tradition, where deviation is frowned upon. Talk to your god, and don’t worry about what anyone else thinks. It’ll serve you better than trying to please an institution.

      • Kathy September 16, 2014 at 6:06 pm #

        I would like to be a part of a church family that has services on the Friday nights or Saturdays instead of Sunday and teaches the word of God as well as does not celebrate these false man made holidays too.

      • Bambi November 12, 2014 at 10:25 am #

        That is what we are going

      • Melissa December 8, 2014 at 7:58 pm #

        Timothy, the command is to not forsake fellowship with the brethren. (Hebrews) We need each other. If you don’t believe you’re false, why are you suspecting everyone else? We’re out there.
        Most of us who don’t celebrate pagan holidays are not ‘in’ a church. The Lord will provide a family. Just ask. But don’t not be part of the body actively. 🙂

  10. Jen December 22, 2012 at 10:01 pm #

    I just wanted to say I used to LOVE Christmas. I love giving gifts and the decorating. I would leave the tree and decorations up for months after. Once I developed a relationship with the God of the Bible and researched where all the holidays came from I was upset because I had been lied to. I aim to please God and everyone celebrates these holidays that the Roman Catholic church made into Gods holidays to try to convert the masses. My pagan coworker and friend is so awesome. When people at the vet clinic I work for question why I dont celebrate she pipes up and says cause those are my holidays 🙂

  11. James December 14, 2012 at 4:51 pm #

    These verses, however, do not apply to Christmas trees, but they do condemn the idolatry practiced in Jeremiah’s day. God’s people were following the customs of the heathen who cut down trees, shaped the wood into idols, decorated them with silver and gold ornaments, and worshiped them as gods.

    If a person wears a red shirt, does that mean he is a gang member of the LA “Bloods?” Of course not! This is what the Christmas tree means to me.

    The tree represents; 1:Peter 2:24, “Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. The thorns on the tree represents the crown placed on Jesus head (John 19:5); the white lights represent that “Jesus is the light of the world;” (John 8:12) the red ornaments or bows reminds me of the precious blood of Christ that was shed; (1 Peter 1:19) the multi colored ornaments reminds me that salvation (eternal life) is offered to everyone; (Galatians 3:28) the white on the tree reminds me that my sins shall be white as snow; (Isaiah 1:17) the purple reminds me of what Jesus was draped in (his royalty) for the crucifixion; (John 19:5) the gifts under the tree reminds me that eternal life is a free gift (Ephesians 2:8-9). The star on top of the tree reminds me of the Star of Bethlehem. So the real question is this, what does your Christmas tree mean to you!
    Colossians 3:17 – “17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.” Colossians 3:23 -23 “And whatsoever ye do, do it heartily, as to the Lord, and not unto men.” God Bless

  12. rowdy December 12, 2012 at 2:54 am #

    On topic? Lalla and Crystal are the only ones who really even attempted to answer Claire’s original question. The only thing I have to add is that my interpretation of the passage is that it is about the silliness of carving an idol or statue out of the same wood you use for fuel and shelter to worship it.
    It seems to me that there are a whole bunch of people that just seem to like to tear others’ beliefs down. As long as someone’s system of belief or dis/un/non/whatever/belief, doesn’t harm another person, I say live and let live. I happen to be a Roman Catholic born and raised. Not exactly well versed in it, but I try to maintain my life accordingly – or at least as if Somebody was watching.
    Maybe if I was Jewish, Muslim, Atheist, Pagan, etc, I’d be annoyed by all the Christian stuff. I’m not and it doesn’t. I think it’s waay too commercialized and I can’t get away from it, but I’m not going to complain because I find it pretty benign. Sometimes even nice. Christmas trees are pretty. They make me smile. I prefer artificial in my own house – not that anyone cares. What I wonder is why some Pagans and Atheists feel the need to squash any celebration which is religiously based. It just seems mean to me.
    Why do some feel the need to ridicule, insult and group all people of faith into a single unit which has no regard for science, truth and learning? We’re talking lots of people here, folks. I’m by no means a spokesman, but I’m fed up with all the hurtful insults. Every group has its zealots. They usually shouldn’t be trusted.

  13. Don December 9, 2012 at 2:59 am #

    I am a believer in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, the Son of the Living God. I have learned that taking hard stances on secondary issues runs people away from seeking their purpose in life. Satan’s goal is to divide and conquer. When we remove the secondary issues, we can focus on seeking an answer as to why we have been placed on this planet to begin with. We were all created equally by God with a purpose to complete good works that were planned for us in advance of our birth. (EPH 2:10) Any other energy spent on secondary issues delays our quest to address the prison and pain of guilt ( which is a gift from God) we have chosen. We can try to medicate it with pride, but it continues to convict us of out sin. According to scripture, Christmas Trees can do no evil, nor is is in them to do any good. Whether we choose to have one or not, it does not replace our responsibility to study to show ourselves approved unto God and direct the focus of our energy to Him. He knows our hearts and has offered a gift to commence our purpose.

  14. Michelle December 2, 2012 at 2:31 am #

    It really comes down to one thing and that is Jesus said “My sheep know my voice and they will not listen to another voice”. He is to be our BEST FRIEND EVER if we are Christians he will lead us in ALL truth because He is THE TRUTH. I have talked with Him about this and I believe The Lord has not only showed me but confirmed for me that He is not pleased with the pagan customs which were done by the heathens and it grieves his heart and it does not bring and Glory to God Almighty. I am very concerned when I hear words which Val spoke of which were the words and attitude that I personally had for so many years saying its all in fun, harmless for the kids etc. Nothing could be further than the truth. That is self deception of which I had for years. I was raised with a tree i raised my first 4 of 6 children with a tree and i loved it. Trust me when I say that my flesh fights me on this and when the bible says ” the spirit is willing , but the flesh is weak” I dont care if every Pastor ( Lord forgive them) leads the flock right into this pagan custom of Christmas Trees I will not compromise as I said earlier I have heard from the Truth which is Christ. I promise you if you want to know the truth go alone to a quiet place and talk to him about it like u r talking to your best friend and then wait on his truth. dont be moved by this demanding flesh. with love

    • Nicole March 31, 2013 at 6:02 am #

      Amen! Truth is – Christmas. And Easter are pagan!

    • Cea October 30, 2013 at 5:37 pm #

      Amen- I was seeking the truth too and then God revealed to me the origin of all the festivals we celebrate e.g. christmas, easter even harvest festival for halloween. I came out of ignorance. Babylon is the origin of all paganism. In Rev. 18 God tells us to come out of her so that we don’t partake in her judgment.

      Simply said. If you are seeking the truth and God reveals the truth to you and you are convicted, it would be wise to follow your conscious. Have peace in all you do because in you dwell the spirit of the Living God.

    • Bambi November 21, 2014 at 11:31 am #

      I agree

  15. neopolaris November 29, 2012 at 2:18 pm #

    Renny can’t stay on topic and went all over the place for his own amusements. So many words and he completely misses the point. But, nice job going from your own understandings though… Yes, you are warned of that. Your choice.

  16. Lalla November 19, 2012 at 8:10 am #

    This passage from Jeremiah isn’t referring to Christmas trees, since it was written long before Christianity, and since the Christmas tree is a German folk tradition. Jeremiah was complaining about the ancient Israelite practice of erecting a decorated tree to honor the goddess Asherah. History and archaeological studies have shown that the religious beliefs of people dwelling in the region and throughout Israel changed over time. YWH was originally just one god in a pantheon of deities. He eventually emerged as the head god of the pantheon and was assigned Asherah, the wife of the former chief god El, as his consort. Over time, YWH became the sole divinity but was still honored with some of the trappings and titles of the deities who had formerly been worshipped. The altar of YWH was decorated with decorated trees called ‘asherah’ long after the practice of recognizing his spouse had ceased. See the article on Asherah at Wikipedia.

    • Michael December 5, 2015 at 9:57 am #

      The practice of the decorated evergreen tree comes from the babelonian culture worshiping nimrod, this culture was adopted by the assirians who’shistory comes from the culture of the asyrians. They are talking about the ashteroth pole with another name “the christ mass” tree.

  17. mechelle November 18, 2012 at 5:25 pm #

    this scripture is not about xmas trees. it is explaining a scarecrow. this area was being invaded constantly and this was the olny way to scare the invaders. please read everything before passing judgements.

    • Michael December 5, 2015 at 9:53 am #

      It indeed is, It makes mention of the evergree trees where the worshipers of these trees would go up to the high places and worship at the ashteroth poles. The same thing

  18. Renny Rij November 16, 2012 at 10:32 am #

    I like Val’s answer very much. I have read that December 25th was the date given for the birth of Mithras, the center of a Roman militaristic religion that pre-dates Christianity, and the Christian heirarchy knew they’d have a tough time getting around that festival, so they incorporated it instead – they stole Mithras’ birthday and gave it to Jesus. For those of us who have been studying the bible, and reading the words of writers from The Enlightenment and comparing what they have to say with the bible, it becomes more and more clear that the bible is not at all the “infallible Word of some god. How many are aware of what Christians would call “outright filth”, in the Song of Solomon? After wasting 67 years of my life trying to fit the Christian mold, I started reading the bible in earnest, and in comparing it with the works of Thomas Paine and many, many others, I found the truth. The bible doesn’t even agree with itself! To appropriate Gloria Steinem’s words, “The truth will make you free, but first it will piss you off!” That is because realizing that generation upon generation of people have been cowed into believing this religious nonsense. Not just ANY people, but YOUR people and MINE – our parents, grandparents, and so on! How could they have been such suckers? Part of it is because they were kept too busy to think for themselves, so they let others tell them what to think, and even today, we stop our work for a minute and say, “yeah, we get it, see you in church/temple/whatever”, and then go back to doing our work and worrying about the next problem. The fact that the priests or preachers and other church heirarchy have a Vested Interest (in other words, preaching is their way of Making a Living, as well as Gaining Power over people) in promulgating religions, this fact alone should make us stop and think. Who gains? Check out the televangelists – they’re living pretty good, no? I’m “off” Christmas, but I’ll elect to put up a Yule Tree, with lights and ornaments that recall happy memories, and a model train set-up and a phony fireplace, because the winter is so drab and we all enjoy some sparkle during the short winter days. I’ll send out some donations to charities, who are able to put the money to the use of the needy. And I’ll send out “Happy Solstice” cards, to contact those who have impacted our lives – these cards are a way of saying “Thank you, Friend, for BEING here! I’m GLAD you are here!” Isn’t that what life is really about? Appreciating each other?

  19. robbin November 5, 2012 at 12:02 pm #

    You think setting up a Christmas tree or celebrating Easter is pagan, try looking into “Sun”day worship, look at Exodus 20:8-12 the seventh day of the week is the true Sabbath not Sunday the first day of the week.
    Get ready folks because just like when the Catholic persecuted people throughout the “Dark Ages” it’s coming again in the form of a national Sunday law, it’s going to be tough but:
    the Bible says ” if you love me keep my commandments”
    get rid of ALL pagan symbols and return to the Lord, ultimately we will be one of two classes of worshipers, either we will serve the Lord completely or we will except the delusions of Satan, and Sunday worship is one of Satan’s delusions

  20. Corinne Colvin October 17, 2012 at 6:29 am #

    I was taught that Christmas was brought about to take the focus off of Christ Himself and then the church twerked it to fit in and bring the focus back to Christ. I myself for the first time in my life will not be putting up a Christmas Tree for Christmas. I will tell you this if any holiday doesn’t focus on Christ solely it is pagan, all of the Christian Holidays has a focus whether it be a closer relationship or to focus on repentance. We have to examine and look closely at the things of the world.

    And this is not just something to amuse our children; this is serious. Where do you think abortion came from – it came from the practice of Molech a pagan God that was worshiped in the bible. Parents would sacrifice their children for their own gain or freedom – research it. So this is more serious than just decorating a tree to see smiles on the childrens faces, I am more concerned about my childs eternal happiness rather than his earthly happiness that I will to have to stand in front of the bema seat and answer for, yes parents you will have to answer for what you allow your children to partake in.

    I myself am a christian, a child of the Most High God. There are Christians that know the truth and practice the truth and there are Christians out there still searching for the truth (Babes in Christ) and they will find it. Many have been mistaught, or are just unwise and need help in finding the truth and there are some that just go with the wind (every doctrine per say)that I have seen in my walk. But then it falls on the seasoned Christian to pass on the good news to our brothers and sisters so that they to may be wise in the matter of Christ and His Word. I said all of that because I recently left my church that I grew up in since birth and I realized after praying to the Lord to open mine eyes that I may see the truth; that I to was being taught in the wrong fashion, after I got away from it so many things became clear to me and He showed me what was wrong and what was right and He even placed people in my path to confirm that which He had showed me and told me.

    So let us pray for those who may not know they are wrong, for those who do not believe and those who may be under the wrong teaching that they may be in a place to receive the truth and the fullness of the word of God in it’s purity and Holiness that it was intended.

    But the Christmas Tree is pagan worship period!!!! Just like Thanksgiving, Easter bunny & of course halloween.

    God Bless you all & you all will be in my prayers.

    • Kathryn McCurley September 12, 2013 at 12:08 am #

      Since being under convictions for the past few days. I will no longer put up a Christmas Tree. In our Bible training hour at church I brought it up. It was no secret our Pastor could have ran through me. In the foyer they put up about a 10′ decorated Christmas tree. One thing I said,” was in Jesus getting mad at the Temple what would He say, if He came back on Christmas and walked in our churches”.

      Not sure why convictions now I wasn’t doing it in anyway to Nimrod but our grand children. Have known this for sometime; like the base for our holidays is for pagan gods.

      Thank you for your article. Will pray for other Christians to see the light.

  21. Val July 4, 2012 at 9:23 pm #

    Whats all the commotion about..a Christmas tree is just a way to amuse our children and brighten an otherwise drab ,dark time of year…it is a symbol of love..a gesture of peace and goodwill to show to all that pass by as it twinkles brightly thru the window panes or in the garden if a live growing tree.There is no harm done and you do not have to be Christian,Pagan or any other denomination to enjoy its simple pleasure of sharing nature and brightening our lives . We all love things of beauty and my tree displays angels and stars and bits and bobs collected over the years by my children,so it’s a time of remembering others and taking a moment to reflect and the tree is a good focus.

  22. No1Mellenhead June 4, 2012 at 7:09 am #

    If you would like to hear this explained in great detail I highly recommend you watch the video America’s Occult Holidays.

    You can watch it for free on YouTube at:

  23. Crystal June 13, 2011 at 6:42 pm #

    Easter was originally pagan. They celebrated the coming of spring; the Easter bunny is there because the rabbit is symbolic for fertility. Christians stole it from pagans (like Christmas) gift giving during Christmas was also pagan. Pagans gave gifts for winter solstice.

  24. David March 31, 2011 at 3:06 am #

    Oh by the way, Yeshua was born on Succoth. A “Jewish” or should I say Scriptural Feast that should still be observed by believers today.

  25. David March 31, 2011 at 3:04 am #

    Hi Claire

    First of all, I am not a Christian (although I grew up as one) I too found so many errors and problems in the theology and traditions of the Christian church. I am now a Torah observant Believer in YHWH and His Messiah Y’shua.

    I do not condone paganism, but respect you in that we all have freedom of belief, however, I would any day rather discuss and meet a pagan like yourself than a Christian. this is because you openly declare that you are a pagan and have nothing to hide. Christians on the other hand have so much to hide as none of their practices and traditions have anything to do with the Scriptures. They do get all hot under the collar when you point these things out.

    The founders of the all Gentile Church were all practicing paganism and incorporated it into the Christian Church. the problem with Christians is that they are too lazy to actually go and study the Scriptures for themselves and rely on peoples opinions rather than truth.

    The Christians claim that “Jesus kept the Law so that they don’t have to” and think that they can now do whatever they want because their sins have been forgiven. This is clearly NOT what the Scriptures are saying.

    Oh well, just thought that even the pagans know more about the Scriptures than what the Christians do. It is funny.

  26. wyrdness December 19, 2010 at 10:38 pm #

    Considering that Jesus was born in September by all scriptural evidence, and that December 25th was only chosen by Pope Greggory as a means of absorbing Pagan traditions – an act forbidden in Jeremiah 10 – I say start the whole thing over. Give Solstice celebration back to the Pagans and celebrate a clean Christmas in September, free of Pagan symbolism.

  27. Joy December 17, 2010 at 7:00 pm #

    These details only matter if you are concerned with doing what God tells you to do, not what the world tells you.

    If you are a Christian, as I am, and do not know the history of Christmas (or Easter for that matter), you need to be educated. If the fact that 100% of the symbolism in the holiday is from Pagan roots and has been twisted into some kind of Godly symbol doesn’t bother you, then I can’t argue with that. It matters to me. History DOES matter.

    Christmas was never about Jesus. It was never celebrated in the Bible by any of God’s people after his death. The Bible doesn’t have any record that Jesus ever celebrated his own birth, yet four books of the Bible are dedicated to His life. If it was important, it would have been in there.

    If it is just a time of year to celebrate Jesus’ birth, why do it on December 25 with all of the history that comes with it? Why not January 1, or July 11? If the date really isn’t important, why do it at a time of year when the majority of our country is about the gifts and the competition of Christmas? Not to mention the obvious that we are to think on His life AND His death every day; not one time a year during Christmas and Easter.

    It has only been in the last 150 years or so that modern civilization has even really celebrated Christmas yet some Christians act as if it’s been going on since Bible times. This is a falsity.

    I am a Christian. I do not celebrate Christmas. I’ve been yelled at and told I hate Jesus by other Christians. If Christmas is so important to the Christian walk, why are we never instructed to keep it in the Bible? We are to follow God, not man. Christmas is a MAN-MADE holiday. What Christ did was an example for our lives and we are to live as he did, not by doing what our churches and families tell us is right.

    Claire, you raise a very good question and I appreciate your willingness to study the issue. I wish more Christians would.

  28. joel December 8, 2010 at 12:51 am #

    Does it really matter where the tree came from?The part that most miss is, that Jesus the one and only son of God was born to take away the sins of the world. Your sins, my sins. If you put a tree up, or choose a different way to celebrate Jesus, always make sure its giving him the glory. Read John 3:16

    • Michael December 5, 2015 at 10:11 am #

      Joel I beg to differ, we should not do what the pagans do and say we do it for the Missiah Yashua.

  29. j.hamin December 8, 2010 at 12:05 am #

    Well, not only do Christmas tree not belong in Christmas, Jesus Christ birth is not to be celebrated as well. Jeremiah 10:2-5 proves this, the verses tells Christians not to be like the pagans and celebrate by cutting down and decorating trees.
    To me the verses speak of everything that surrounds the putting up of the tree. So the verses themselves where left to guide the Christians away from a celebration that is of the way of the pagan. The decorating of the tree and all that it stands for is prohibited, therefore Christmas trees or Christmas are not to by celebrated by Christians

  30. sandy December 5, 2010 at 2:01 pm #

    o.k. here is what i believe and no i am not self rightous or i would not have been saved. if we put christmas trees with or without paganizm we still have our eyes on a idol(idol,, anything that takes our mind off the lord).i think we will be judged for it (having put one in our homes) but go to hell for it? jesus forgives our misgivings even ones we know are wrong.,or the ones we have weaknesses for. we should ask jesus for guidance and he will show us the correct answer thuogh our concience and yes he can answer it.

  31. victor December 4, 2010 at 11:04 am #

    as i walk thru the Word of God i come to many questions that remain un answered with the exception of the answers that lead me to the pagan side of the subject. and the christmas tree is one of them including the celebration of christ mass which has nothing to do with Jesus the Christ. as i find it goes all the way back to Nimrod and Tammuz. if you have interest read about nimrod, and Semeramis, his wife and mother.
    the tree is used as a simbol af a pagan idea, in addition if you go far back youll find that the egipcians used a palm tree in place of a fir tree. i dont want to elaborate too much here for it would sound like i am longwinded, but sue those names as a sping board and it will answer many of the questions. one book that could help is “the Two BabilonS” forgive my typing, i do the best i can, after all i am 74.

    • Michael December 5, 2015 at 10:13 am #

      Watch michael rood on youtube, you would love his teachings

  32. Tim Wakeham December 2, 2010 at 7:59 am #

    eRIC, what makes you think it is Hollywood’s job to morality and decency? Isn’t it a Christian’s duty to resist sin, to reject gratuitous violence and sexual behaviour? If Hollywood didn’t test the will of Christians to do as they are required by their faith then how would their faith be tested? If said Christians ‘sucumb’ to the sinful material produced by Hollywood, whose fault is it? Hollywood, which does as it does for it is its purpose, or the Christians who failed in their faith?

    As for criticising Claire’s comment regarding why she even bothered to post her comment if it wasn’t a big deal to her – that’s just forestalling criticism, a fallacious attack on the delivery of the message and not the message itself. By undermining the suppose motive for Claire to publish her comments you haven’t actually adressed the comment’s content at all.

    It is ironic really that you think that pagan aspects of Christian religious holidays are attempts by non-Christian influences to pollute Christian religious holy days when in fact the Christian religion absorbed these pagan rituals during a time when Christian domination was infinitely more powerful in the world than it is today – i.e, the Middle and Dark Ages.

    The reason that the Christmas tree remains today? Even with the overwhelmingly large ammount of public awareness that it is a pagan symbol? Because conceding this and removing it is to show weakness, that Christian practices can be influenced by secular scrutiny and mostly because they can convince themselves of the harmlessness of the non-scriptural ritualism of Christmas because its tradition is benign in their eyes thanks to tradition.

  33. leita prior September 20, 2009 at 6:46 am #

    Claire, just give up and go elsewhere if you want real answers. You’ve stumbled upon a coven of the self-righteous. Just be glad you’re not one of their helpless hapless kids and get out while the going’s good.

  34. Tony Kirik June 25, 2009 at 1:14 am #

    Christmas trees have nothing to do with Jesus Christ. I came upon your questions when I was researching for more historical facts on Christmas trees. My family immigrated to US from Ukraine when I was 9. My grandfather was killed because of his faith My father is a religious man and was persecuted on many occasions by kgb because of his faith. I can say that he’s very religious not only by his knowledge in the word of GOD but also by his actions in his daily life. I don’t remember a single year that we had a Christmas tree in our house even though we celebrate Birth of Jesus Christ. I am researching this topic for a seminar that I am giving a lecture in my church to prove that Christmas tree is pagan symbol that has nothing to do with Birth of Jesus Christ. I have three children we didn’t have a single year with a Christmas tree. The way I understand that if you don’t live with Gods word in your heart and on your mind daily but you spend your holiday time bringing in a tree into your home, decorating it, then disposing it on December 28th. When you can teach your children about what Christmas is really about. Our savior dying on the cross for all the people that accept him in their hearts. Romans 1:28 “And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gate them over to reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;” We can see it very clearly during the holidays season families maxing out their credit cards taking on debt because they want to impress someone. Is that convenient? If yes for who?

  35. Claire March 24, 2009 at 10:14 am #

    Where to begin? For one thing, I’m always amused when Christians tell me essentially that being informed and having an education makes me prideful, without realizing that wearing their ignorance as some kind of badge is the very definition of pridefulness.

    As for the Bible passage, apparently it was you who didn’t get the point (of the passage OR this post), and who greatly twisted its meaning (a Christian trait if there ever was one). The Bible stated “learn not the way of the heathen” and then goes on to describe a Christmas tree as one of the ways of the heathen. It did not, in any way, defend that practice. When it said “the heathen are dismayed at them” it was referring to “the signs of heaven”, not the Christmas tree. Ya idjit.

    So… if we’re going to bring up that tired old canard of the “truth about Jesus Christ”, I pose the question yet again; what do Christmas trees have to do with Jesus and Christianity? Oliver Cromwell himself preached against “the heathen traditions” of Christmas carols and decorated trees. He knew that the tradition was yet another that was taken from Pagans and appropriated for Christian use.

    Where Christians show their prideful ignorance is when they start foaming at the mouth and feigning outrage whenever someone questions such traditions and Christmas trees and the Easter Bunny, because somehow to question such things is to challenge their God. You did that, without ever fully comprehending the issue you felt obligated to comment upon, and in all the things you decided to target, you never once approached the question that was posed.

    But if nothing else, your leaps if logic were fun to watch. The phrase “why pagan things are attached to religious stuff” is breathtaking in its ignorance. First, your Bible identifies Christmas trees as a Pagan practice (which were originally part of Germanic Pagan religious celebrations, mind you), then Christians adopted the practice while attempting to stamp out Paganism, and yet you’re inferring that PAGANS are trying to attach their own significance to YOUR traditions? Actually, that’s not what you said, was it? You said we’re trying to attach “pagan things” to “religious stuff”. So I assume in your dictionary the word “religious” is defined as “Christian”. You should buy a new dictionary.

    You then went on to rant about Hollywood, morality, decency, movies and money; none of which, as far as I can tell, have anything to do with the question that was posed here. Just answer the question. What does the Christmas tree have to do with the supposed divinity of Jesus Christ? If ancient Pagan religious observations have nothing whatsoever to do with the Christmas tree (which was originally called a Yule tree, by the way), how do you explain the tradition of decorating a tree? Surely you don’t think Jesus was crucified on an Evergreen tree?

    • Anonymous December 4, 2015 at 11:48 pm #

      What does the Christmas tree have to do with the supposed divinity of Jesus Christ?

      -Christmas trees have nothing to do Jesus. The Christmas tree is a pagan custom that started after the days of Noah when people were worshiping Ba’al/Nimrod. It dates back to the days of ancient Babylonian. The fact Jesus wasn’t born on Dec. 25th & the fact the same customs were practiced 600 years before Jesus’s time should make it obvious. The whole concept of Jesus was infultrated by the Roman Catholic church during ancient Rome

      If ancient Pagan religious observations have nothing whatsoever to do with the Christmas tree (which was originally called a Yule tree, by the way), how do you explain the tradition of decorating a tree? Surely you don’t think Jesus was crucified on an Evergreen tree?
      -The first Yule trees where palm trees, not evergreens. I’ll say it again: It’s a PAGAN tradition that dates back to the days of ancient Babylonian. It has nothing to do with Jesus, but Nimrod/Ba’al/Baphomet/Lucifer

  36. eRIC March 19, 2009 at 9:46 pm #

    because you have such a “pridefull” attitude when discussing religion and the Bible(you missed the point of Jeremiah 10-2: the heathen are dismayed of them!!)…hollywood is dismayed at the constant reminder of what they do in society with their total dis-regard to morality and decency, just to make a movie and make money no matter what!! You say …it’s no big deal…but in fact you try to make a ‘big deal’ with your opinion…..if it was not a big deal…why COMMENT!!! Just in case your were wondering why the pagan things are attached to religious stuff…that is man’s way of trying “not” to accept and/or involve himself with the “”truth about Jesus Christ”” and his involvement with the people of this earth!!
    This is my opinion,
    Eric J. Gnyp